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Brentos @ Sunday, December 4th 2022, 7:05 AM

Holy crap I'm FINALLY ready to transition to another part of the story. But I need your help everyone! My Mac-Mini from YEARS ago had the basic photoshop built into it which was awesome and EASY to figure out. The I-Mac I have now doesn't have anything like that. All I really need to do is download all 378 pages of Lust so I can do that old 'previously on Lust' thing where I take some panels from the previous pages to build up for the next part of the story. It'll pretty much be just copy and pasting some panels and being able to adjust their sizes so they fit into the panels of the next page.
So if anyone's got any suggestions on what ap or whatever to download for doing something like that would be hugely appreciated. What I'm looking for is something SIMPLE to use and hopefully something cheap or free and safe to use while being compatible with a Mac. Any suggestions anyone? :duh:

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Xod @ Sunday, December 4th 2022, 10:30 AM

378 pages long? I need so much reading to do.
For drawing programs I just use the popular free ones, like GIMP, Krita, Inkscape, Blender.

Brentos @ Tuesday, December 20th 2022, 4:49 AM

Make that 379! In the process of saving every page I found out that I had two pages with the same page number. I had to edit about half of the pages as I saved them by the actual page numbers opposed to the drawing numbers shown when I opened them. Took forever and now my head is spinning after trying to keep everything from getting more mixed up. :crazy:

Brentos @ Tuesday, December 20th 2022, 4:52 AM

I downloaded GIMP so I'll see if I can figure it out now... :gamer:

Tha_Pig @ Monday, January 16th 2023, 5:12 AM

I use a free version of Photoshop they released some years ago. I'm not sure if there is a Mac version of it.
I tried Gimp, but I was disappointed with it. It can do simple graphic stuff, but it can't compare to Photoshop in function any more than a plastic tricycle compares with a motorcycle. Yeah, technically they are both vehicles...

Brentos @ Sunday, January 22nd 2023, 1:36 AM

I'm finding this GIMP practically impossible to use. I'm going through a tutorial right now and holy crap is there ever like five steps to go through just to do one thing. :gamer:

Brentos @ Sunday, January 22nd 2023, 5:03 AM

It looks like no free version for Macs. I just installed Krita and seems to be quite easy to use, I'll try some more another day.

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Brentos @ Thursday, November 10th 2022, 6:00 AM

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pinderhooks @ Monday, November 21st 2022, 9:12 PM

She's right, I don't believe what happened to her! And check out that motion blur on panel 8, I don't know if he was more excited by the mention of the Hitchhiker's Guide or by the appearance of the disembodied rabbit head. Both are interesting subjects for discussion!

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Brentos @ Saturday, September 24th 2022, 5:02 AM

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Brentos @ Saturday, September 24th 2022, 5:24 AM

And just in case you don't know who The Specials are...

https://twitter.com/ScarredForLife2/status/1540745918961446914?cxt=HHwWhMCjzYCQ6uEqAAAA

Oh wait, wrong link... Try this one!

https://twitter.com/ScarredForLife2/status/1419954481236688910?cxt=HHwWnICytfrE2LQnAAAA

FUCK!!! I meant this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYMFZEn8UBI

Okay hang on, this is it for sure this time. Duck Duck Go is your friend...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4

pinderhooks @ Thursday, October 6th 2022, 9:17 PM

So what you're saying is that the Specials have stretchy necks, but having a stretchy neck isn't special?

Brentos @ Saturday, October 22nd 2022, 2:30 AM

That's right! For the time being they're The Averages!

balki @ Sunday, October 30th 2022, 10:17 PM

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Brentos @ Saturday, August 6th 2022, 4:00 AM

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Coon @ Saturday, August 6th 2022, 9:49 AM

You know, this is probably for the best! I have a feeling that was a boring event anyway and this will liven it up.

pinderhooks @ Saturday, August 6th 2022, 10:51 AM

Aw snap, Pintizzy's in the hizzy! This little shindig about to be lit up breh! Before it's over with, they're all gonna be butt-ass naked and painting shirts on each other! Now that's a party! :gamer:

Tha_Pig @ Wednesday, August 10th 2022, 5:34 AM

It is now!

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Brentos @ Saturday, July 23rd 2022, 6:56 AM

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Coon @ Saturday, July 23rd 2022, 7:01 AM

Hey I don't remember Wac having a ... WAAAAIT a minute...

Coon @ Saturday, July 23rd 2022, 7:01 AM

I was gonna say snout!

Tha_Pig @ Saturday, July 23rd 2022, 11:24 AM

That's taking cosplay seriously!

Miellaby @ Saturday, July 23rd 2022, 4:49 PM

Ping-pong ball cut in half might do the trick.

Waccoon @ Sunday, July 24th 2022, 1:34 AM

Of all the things the cosplay body painter could be, he wants to be a red shirt. 8)

A couple of trimmed plastic spoons would work, too.

pinderhooks @ Sunday, July 31st 2022, 7:59 PM

I admire his ingenuity but he's gonna have a hard time getting there if he can't see :V

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Brentos @ Saturday, July 16th 2022, 5:58 AM

I would like to point out that my best friend, who is dead, would have laughed his head off at this page.

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pinderhooks @ Saturday, July 16th 2022, 10:58 PM

Yep all we really can do with friends and family that have died is to share memories of them, and similarly hope that somebody will remember us when we become dead. It's interesting how a person can, in a way, become memory. And in the case of famous historical figures that are only read about but never truly known, can exist in peoples' imagination, even though different people will imagine the historical figure differently. I do believe this strip has legitimately brought up a subject that's worth a bit of deep thinking!

Coon @ Sunday, July 17th 2022, 3:04 AM

"We won't run out" does make for quite the opportunity for a tribute! It's enough to make one start searching for things to drink to.

Brentos @ Saturday, July 23rd 2022, 6:07 AM

That's right! I can't say for sure He'd like this, even though I'm pretty certain he would. For instance when Monty Python did a live reunion tour and at every venue they had Graham Chapman's ashes and they'd 'accidentally' spill some of them on to the stage. He thought that was awesome. But still, you can never know for sure if Graham Chapman would approve. So maybe the whole time we aren't really what we think of ourselves, but we're what OTHERS think of us. There's a Douglas Coupland novel, Miss Wyoming, where the main character's a has-been eighties celebrity and when she appears to die in a plane crash she gets to see what people REALLY think of her...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22305.Miss_Wyoming

I'll drink to that!

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Brentos @ Saturday, July 9th 2022, 4:39 AM

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Waccoon @ Saturday, July 9th 2022, 7:10 AM

Well, that jus' taint right.

pinderhooks @ Sunday, July 10th 2022, 9:37 AM

And I'm going to carry on not bathing until he invades Canada!

Coon @ Thursday, July 14th 2022, 3:39 AM

Now I'm wondering what happened LAST time! It's always great to see your comics!

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Miellaby @ Friday, July 15th 2022, 1:50 PM

The cuteness factor of the strip fell down to below zero in a single post. Congrats Brentos :lol:

As an artist I now navigate in unknown realms

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Brentos @ Saturday, July 16th 2022, 3:34 AM

Troubling times...

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Brentos @ Saturday, May 28th 2022, 7:34 AM

You're not allowed to be here. But if you make it you have your choice between red huckle berries and blue huckle berries.

pinderhooks @ Sunday, May 29th 2022, 6:26 PM

All I'm saying is that the blues should stay on their half of the island and the reds should stay on their half, consarnit!

Brentos @ Saturday, June 11th 2022, 3:41 AM

And like pretty much anything I colour this will probably remain unfinished. It was meant to look better I tell you!

Tha_Pig @ Friday, June 17th 2022, 12:58 PM

You eat the blue berry, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You eat the red berry, you stay in the forest and probably fall down a rabbit hole.

Brentos @ Saturday, June 18th 2022, 12:35 AM

I didn't even think about that! Well there goes the red berry for Deez...

Coon @ Saturday, July 2nd 2022, 12:43 AM

This is great, and gets the scale of the forest across wonderfully! Remember, red and blue make purple!

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Brentos @ Saturday, May 21st 2022, 5:24 AM

Stonewall's a character I haven't drawn in a LONG time. Stonewall's a 'long-life-cycle product if I must say so. He's built to last.

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pinderhooks @ Sunday, May 29th 2022, 6:10 PM

Brings to mind the Speed Buggy cartoon

Brentos @ Sunday, June 5th 2022, 10:25 PM

OMG Speed Buggy was totally my favourite way back then. I loved that show so much I was drawing him all the time. A few years ago I looked up some clips from the show and actually thought it was kind of corny the way he would talk but when you're a kid it was just hilarious.

Tha_Pig @ Friday, June 17th 2022, 12:52 PM

Freaking Epic!

Coon @ Saturday, July 2nd 2022, 12:46 AM

Who put the antifreeze in my carburetor? Security never stood a chance! This is really great!

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Brentos @ Saturday, May 14th 2022, 8:05 AM

I was pretty much wasted when I drew this so I came back to delete the cringeness but it doesn't look that bad so I just deleted my drunk-rant. Oh my Xod why do I do that?

I like Sinfest even though I don't always agree with it, the same way I like Bill Maher's opinions most of the time... And sometimes it's hilarious I say!

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Waccoon @ Sunday, May 15th 2022, 5:42 AM

Man... that moment you realize an old web comic is still around.

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pinderhooks @ Thursday, May 12th 2022, 9:36 PM

I don't think 20 years is far enough back to find THAT joke funny :crazy:

Brentos @ Saturday, May 14th 2022, 4:50 PM

I know! But just think how many people are gonna make the exact same joke in the next twenty years!

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Brentos @ Friday, April 1st 2022, 6:14 AM

Just trying to improve my stuffos by trying to draw like Jack Kirby. The only real drawing instructions I've ever really used is that of George Trosley of CARtoons magazine. Everything else I've 'learned' is just from copying other artists I've enjoyed since I was a kid. Artists like Don Martin, Jack Davis, Sal Buscema, Jim Roslof, Dave Trampier, Steven Gallacci and of course Frank Miller! Obviously none of my stuff looks anything like those guys' but I like to think I've remembered things from them that has stuck in the back of my head. Lately I've been reading Jack Kirby's old Kamandi comics and realized I've never tried to copy anything he drew, which is amazing because I've always been nuts for his art and he was probably the most groundbreaking artist in all of comics history. Before he started drawing there were lots of good artists but when he came along he changed all comics forever.
So here's my version of some Kirby art! Lucifer Sam's pose is from Kamandi #18 and the background is from Kamandi #11. I'll try to colour this later FUCK I think it actually looks pretty decent!

pinderhooks @ Sunday, April 3rd 2022, 11:45 PM

Hey I didn't know you were such a big fan of The King! But it's easy to tell from this picture who you were homage-ing, I mean that dude loved drawing weird machinery, energy dots and heroes in wide stances throwing out dramatic arm gestures. Well, you missed drawing the funky machinery in the background, but you've nailed everything else :p Tbh I don't know much about Kamandi but I did enjoy Kirby's run on the Marvel books. Did you ever see that Fantastic Four comic where Dr. Doom walks into the Marvel offices and takes Stan Lee and Kirby hostage? Talk about your 4th wall breaks!

Brentos @ Sunday, April 10th 2022, 2:55 AM

Never saw that but I still have my Obnoxio The Clown Vs The X-Men which is probably on this website...

https://viewcomiconline.com/category/kamandi-the-last-boy-on-earth/

Hopefully I get around to trying out some of Kirby's machinery, everything he did was so over-the-top exciting, definitely the poses he drew for the characters. He had such an influence on superhero comics but it kind of blows me away how many otherwise good artists would get the feel of his art but wouldn't draw their characters in such dynamic poses. Even when Kirby would draw someone just standing there he would still have the top of the guy's chest leaning towards the viewer or whatever. He would never have someone looking 'static' or 'mannequin-like'. He had the vision to always draw people with anatomical foreshortening. Hopefully I keep the motivation to copy some more of his stuff.

Another artist that hugely influenced me was Vaughn Bode, he's probably the reason I stopped trying to draw 'realistic' characters and went strictly cartoony. He was the one that showed me you can make 'serious' adult comics drawn in a cartoonish way, that changed everything for me.
Two other artists that I've always admired but never really tried to emulate are John Romita from the EARLY Spidermans for his awesome panel compositions and storyboarding and Dave Cockrum for bringing both Marvel and DC to the next level in character design. I think Storm was originally meant to be one of the Teen Titans or something. He created a whole new style for the more spectacular characters that for some reason didn't seem too tacky, at least for the time. Before him all of the new 'fancy' superheroes were looking kind of ridiculous...

Brentos @ Friday, April 15th 2022, 2:07 AM

https://viewcomiconline.com/obnoxio-the-clown-full/

pinderhooks @ Monday, April 18th 2022, 8:28 PM

Wait, Larry freakin' Hama created that nasty clown character?? So how come he never showed up in GI Joe? :lol:

And Dave Cockrum, I only know of him from his work on Legion of Superheroes, although most of my Legion collection is of the reboot Legion from the 90s. I know the Legion is so darn corny but idk, I just love it for some reason! One of my favourite comics series for sure <3

As for my favourite artists (since you asked so nicely!) I'd say Neal Adams, Alan Davis, Brett Blevins, those guys just draw beautiful & heroic human figures, Blevins especially excels at bringing the sexy cheesecake to the table :gamer:

But I'm also a fan of Denys Cowan even though his figures are definitely drawn in a less refined manner. I would describe his style as "chunky," if that makes sense!

Brentos @ Saturday, April 23rd 2022, 7:32 AM

Legion Of Superheroes! That's what Dave Cockrum drew! For some reason I was thinking Teen Titans, I was more into the Marvels back then. Neal Adams is one of the all-time masters but he's so good he's right up there with Frank Frazetta, I wouldn't even TRY to emulate his stuff! I don't even remember Alan Davis but then again I was kind of out of the comic scene around that time, I found the storytelling of comics had really gone downhill for many comics about that time, everybody was dying and then coming back to life and shit. Everybody seemed to have a sword or a gun and was a blood-thirsty killer. Every team had some kind of spaceship or someone who could teleport everyone to the next battle or whatever, it just struck me as lazy writing. But anyhow!... checking out Alan's art and yeah, very VERY nice to look at, I love how he even would draw Wolverine as a bit of a sloppy-goof-off kind of comedy character and not always as the hardened warrior who's 'seen too much'. I bet if he was around in the early eighties he would have been remembered as one of the masters of that time. I really admire his traditional clean lines which have a recognizable style.
Brett Blevins though I definenately remember! I'm not even into skinny chicks but he mastered the art of the butt and always seemed to show nipples in all of the chick-superheroes. I was always amazed how his stuff got past the censors but I'm glad it did. One of my nerdy comic friends called him Butt Blevins! I will never forget his art let me tell you. :gamer:

http://ilovesignedcomics.com/images/blevins_bret.jpg?crc=4003775309

I don't remember Denys Cowan either but yeah holy crap I love what I've just seen. I too love that un-refined look and style he has. I've really missed out on some really cool art as the decades have gone by. His stuff reminds me a lot of the inking style of Kaus Jansen who did some just stunning work on Frank Miller and John Buscema's pencils, one of my all-time favourites... Fuckin' check this shit out, man!

https://viewcomiconline.com/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-1/

pinderhooks @ Sunday, May 1st 2022, 4:08 PM

Well it's certainly been a long time since comics were 50 cents! And I wonder why Marvel had to include a whole page dedicated to the movie's cast members, even such important characters as "1st Mechanic" and "Mean Mongolian!"
The comic looked like a fine adaptation of the film, but what stood out most to me was the way the panels were coloured. Back then, they had such a limited palette from which to choose that they were forced to be creative with it, and the comics benefited from that. It seems like after they started colouring comics digitally and printing on high-quality paper, the artists got away from using colour in a visually striking way and IMO the comic art style has ended up suffering for it.
Now here's a link for you!

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/R_GGzzP2o1I/AAAAAAAAGVs/D29Owc1q4gs/s1600-h/KillingJokeCompare02.jpg

Just look how bland the recoloured panels look compared to the originals. I'm not saying it's bad, it's definitely a very good colouring job, but it just doesn't pack any punch, ya know?

Brentos @ Saturday, May 7th 2022, 5:18 AM

Oh Yeah I totally agree. Colouring was an art back then that I bet very few artists could do which is probably why most comics had someone besides the penciler and inker do the colouring. I think when the panels are coloured 'properly/realistically' it takes away from the compositions the penciler intended. It kind of makes everything in the panel blend into one 'moment of time' which makes the panel's subject to be less immediately apparent to the reader. In comics there HAS to be an unnoticed illusion of 'time' just because the images aren't moving. Take the panel in the Raiders Of The Lost Arc comic where they first see the temple in the jungle, the reader's eye is right away drawn to both Indy and the temple, and then to all the other people and background details. It's such a great panel because it seems to 'last a long time' to me and is a long panel which reads from left to right which adds to the timing. When I look at it I actually envision everyone moving towards the subject AFTER I've seen what the subject is. If it was coloured realistically all of those nuances would have been lost like in your Batman example, Indy would have been barely BARELY noticeable until the reader gradually scanned the entire image. It would be like the 'flow of time' was actually going backwards. To me the old way was the best and was an entire 'art' into itself which is quite hard to do and was just as important as the lighting in good movies. Now that you got me thinking so deeply about it I have to say the old-time colourists were just as important as the artists.

One of the dumbest comics I ever read (for many reasons) was Neil Gaiman's Sandman. The colourist for it will always stand out to me as the absolute worst, it's like he/she wasn't even trying! (I don't think ANYONE involved in that mess was trying) As I recall Sandman was coloured with the old style of basic colours which goes to show how much of a lost art it truly is. This probably explains my disdain for colouring to begin with! I just don't have the natural ability for it. I know my aht is kind of lame but I think a lot of the time my compositions and overall storytelling makes up for all of that. But if I colour my stuff it just ends up looking even worse so I don't even bother most of the time. Plus I'm lazy.

One of the best colouring examples that comes to mind is the following link. It's a lot more 'detailed' and tonal than say the old Spidermans or whatever but doesn't try to be realistic which doesn't take anything from Frank Miller's art but actually ADDS to it. Here it is probably my most favouritest comic of all time prepare to be amazed. (The first one or two pages are missing in this scan but it'll still make sense...)

https://viewcomiconline.com/category/ronin/

PS: On the back cover of #2 Chris Claremont has a blurb where he mentions the 'process color format' which I guess is making note of the printing technology of the time which was for a comic a new thing. I've actually got the entire series in near mint condition and the paper is nice and shiny as opposed to other 'corner store' comics which were still the mainstay at the time. It goes to show Pinders how like you say, colouring too realistically lessens the artwork. Pretty much everything printed on shiny paper after this started to kind of suck. Things went down hill quite quickly i'd say.

pinderhooks @ Thursday, May 12th 2022, 9:31 PM

Ah, I'd heard of Ronin but I didn't know it had futuristic parts to it. It's quite different from what I imagined it to be! The main thing I knew about it was in New Mutants #100, where Rob Liefeld drew an homage/ripoff of the splash page from Ronin where Ronin impales himself in order to stab the demon behind him. Love ya Rob, but damn if that wasn't some pretty blatant plagiarism! :rolleyes: